[Dunnymonster]

Originally Posted by Bobby718johnson

HIP HOP is a culture started in the 70's had a part of gang culture in NEW YORK CITY. UP ROCKING, BREAK DANCING, GRAFFITI AND RAPPING. IT WAS A WAY OUT FOR A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE TO ESCAPE THE POVERTY AND VIOLENCE WE GREW TO ACCEPT AS NORMAL. THE KIDS NOW DON.T KNOW WHAT HIP HOP IS. IT'S A WAY OF LIFE A WAY OF DRESS AND A FORM OF SONG AND ART. IT IS NOT WHAT THE WORLD SEE AND THINKS WHAT IT IS. IT'S DEEP IT'S A FORCE THAT INFLUNCES THE WORLD THE MUSIC THE STYLES. AND SO MUCH MORE MY FRIEND DUNNY.

I'm feelin ya Bobby, and you have expressed yourself excellently. I wasnt trying to suggest that Hip Hop is just for the Young Guns, of course Hip Hop didnt really come here to the UK until much later than the US from where it originated, as the music began to enter the youth scene. Perhaps what I should have said, is anybody seeing me would never think that I would be the type of person who would wear RMC or infact Urban styles clothing, partly because of my age ( most guys I see wearing anything like I wear are often much younger than me) and also because my musical tastes are not exclusively Hip Hop and Rap/R & B which tends to be the type of music associated with styles like RMC/Yoropiko/Evisu/Bape etc... Maybe the clothing association is purely because many of the Rap,R&B and Hip Hop artists wear them. Certainly Hip Hop is a lifestyle, not just a musical genre and encompases all the facets that you mentioned. I have a lot of respect for all artists and what makes Martins products so apt to the Hip Hop community is the fact that he himself was brought up in a large poor family also, and I think he feels the struggle that young ( mostly black ) men and women went through during the early 70's. You are certainly correct that many young people dont really know Hip Hop and what it means and what it is still about. Respect Buddy!

[Shin6gc]

lol.. steve bops his head and throw his hands in the air when listening to 70's classic.

[Dunnymonster]

If I had enough hair I'd grow a Fro and wear flared trousers man. To be honest even I am too young to remember the 70's ( I was born in Nov 71). So I guess I am more of a mid 80's and 90's type of guy. There were lots of new musical styles during that time, most of which came from Black American/Latino culture. I don't think anybody in Britain, at least at that time, forsaw the dominance that Black musical styles would have in mainstream music like we do today. MC-ing, DJ-ing, and breakdancing are still popular today, so much of the music we have today owes a debt to Hip Hop.

[Dunnymonster]

Hope my Buddy Bobby agrees with this, this is the definition of Hip Hop from the Urban Dictionary: A culture and form of ground breaking music and self expression with elements that consisted of the elements of graffiti art, DJing, MCing, and breaking. Today Hip-Hop is considered to be dead in the mainstream because so-called mainstream Hip-Hop doesn't have the elements of hip-hop and have no meaning.
The stuff on MTV and the radio can't be called Hip-Hop because the lyrics don't have any meaning or self expression. Wack artists today just rap about their shopping lists and other bullshit. There are no more DJs making a prescence since artists today think they can manage without them. Without a DJ there are no scratches and cuts. No much graffiti art is being shown in videos. Artists such as 50 Cent, Nelly, Chingy, J-Kwon, P. Diddy, Cash Money Millionaries lack the 4 elements since their lyrics are ridiculous (no MCing skills), they don't have any DJ presence in their tracks (notice that so-called hip-hop today lacks scratches and cuts), and not much graffiti art is being expressed.
The point of this defintion is to show that MTV/Radio mainstream Bling Rappers should be categorized as Hip-Pop artists, not Hip-Hop artists.

Hip-Hop Music is: Run DMC, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Gang Starr, Wu-Tang Clan, Pharcyde, Hieroglyphics, Aceyalone, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Public Enemy, Common, Mobb Deep, Nas, Rakim, and many more old school and underground acts.

Hip-Pop Music is: P. Diddy, Ja Rule, Nelly, 50 Cent, G-Unit, Cash Money Millionaries, and other mainstream money making oriented acts.

[Shin6gc]

well said steve. i'll like to see you doing saturday night fever lol and wat a coincidence man! i'm born in NOV too lol.

[Dunnymonster]

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