well i most probably would just be making calls most of the time and until i work some deal out with the owner i won't see myself there anytime in the near future. especially when it's like 1hr drive from my place!

Sorry to hear that shin, Did you tell them your from the forum? The prices they told me are $450 with box and $420 without. I know I can get them cheaper with some dealing.

I'm still very confused as to why this dealer offers 2 options, Box or no Box? For the extra $30 why would anybody not have the box, after all if you are paying $450 ( around £225 + sales tax I assume) thats still a lot of money so whats an extra $30?

well maybe they like to keep afew boxes as display?