Yeah yeah i know now, took some time to realize it, its just after reading a lot the powerpoint stuff to spot a fake and handling the fake i finally realize it!

Quite hard to figure out all the details with only pictures, i am kinda far from paris to see a real one in a shop.

Well, for sure begginners are real blind with a fake jeans in hand...

dont have time to read all the posts now cause i gotta leave the house in few mins but this yoropiko is 100% real.
rock yoro has exactly this selvedge and pairs without waistpatches are inspection samples^^

i wouldn't say it's 100% authentic. imo, if it's not complete, it's not authentic. if it's not released to the public for sale by martin, means it's not authorized by martin. same goes for stocks by sumkachun on some his auctions like the golden monkey,prohibit x rmc fire bird, all gold waves. he even got some of the jeans with wrong waist patchs like one of the gods edition! doesn't matter if it's got the same selvedge, buttons, watever.. anything not authorized is fake.

Yeah whilst technically real, no waistpatch = non official product. This would never have been endorsed by Martin and is thus unofficial stock which was never supposed to have been released to the public for sale. This in my mind makes it fake as it is incomplete.

lol, extreme point of view from both of you -.-
these are inspection samples and inspection samples are no fakes. they are usually just not meant to be purchased by the public.
so you mean lucky cat, twin dragons, bondage, fu&ra samples without tags which were produced before the official stock was started are fakes for you, because they also exist.
those are some of the very first pieces of those designs they are representing and this doesnt make it fake.

its difficult to make a standard rmc out of a non-waistpatch one because every model got its own ID. but yoros dont have an id, so you can take off a waistpatch from some cheap ass plain yoropiko and attach it on another one - only problem is the lot of yoros, many of them got different lots.

yes i will think those are fake if they come without tags. Since it's without tags, it means that it wasn't approved by martin. Samples are meant to show for example potential buyers of the product and thus should be a complete design, that means including the waist patch. i can understand not giving the sample a lasered id but not having it without the patch. from what i know, like the octopus erotica jeans ya'll seen at the magic show, that's a sample made for the show just to show buyers and there's waist patch on it. imo, the jeans without patches are more of jeans over made by the factory and sold without martin's knowledge rather than samples. If they are samples, i don't see why sumkachun would have samples of pratically every size of the same design and why would martin make so many samples of the same design.

The way I see it the "samples" were probably produced without a waistpatch for exactly that reason, to identify them from genuine authorised stock, so if they found themselves in the public domain then they would be easy to spot. If Martin had produced the samples using just normal Denim instead of the correct selvedge denim to make mock up samples then automatically they would have been judged as fakes by everybody without dought. I dont see that having a missing waistpatch makes that any different. It is incomplete unauthorised stock, and I would have to question how such samples got into the hands of a seller in the first place. If Martin gives the products his complete approval then of course i would accept that such items were genuine. But like any collectors piece, anything that is incomplete would affect its value.

Take a trip to KMO - we often talk about this, especially regarding PIs. Maybe you guys have? - I've seen dunny there recently!

It totally depends on whether the samples were sold by Martin or not. I have many samples from various companies - all purchased legit direct from the brands. However I also have some samples which I guess were never sold by the brands - these inc. mobile telephone numbers for the designers & sales team on the tags which obviously should never be allowed to get into the publics hands.

Maybe they aren't samples? My guess is the waist patch would be one of the last things to be added to the jeans - so maybe they are second's and not fit for sale??

I know on most if not all of my samples the tags inside tend not to be present. Do the jeans in question have tags on the inside?

Possibly over production which should have been destroyed.

If they were meant to be sold they would be FULLY complete and distributed from an AUTHORISED stockist!!

Does the whole Rangy Mountain issue not spring to mind here people???

Sorry guys but this is the trouble that is created when you do not purchase direct from an authorised stockist! Exactly the same with PIs and Armani, Stone Island etc. It becomes a mixed up place and nobody knows what is what. Togged sell the REAL thing & are AUTHORISED to stock them so why even think about buying from some questionable seller??

On another note - how much is this guy trying to sell them for? Be probably got them for free or next to nothing and is probably making a very healthy profit from you. It is also directly affecting Martin due to loss of sales and therefore future product development. For people who supposedly love RMC & Yoropiko this is very worrying!

BUY FROM AN AUTHORISED STOCKIST!!!

Rant over!